One more time... With Feeling
That other thing was getting WAY to long. I couldn't keep scrolling up and down, my poor finger was cramping.
First to Brandon (cause you must be the first - sorry couldn't help it lol)
After reading my reply to you, well I gotta apologize. I was so emotionally drained by then, I'm surprised I could string together two thoughts. You were explaining yourself to me, and I was snide and bitchy. I'm sorry. Your reasons are your own, and they were valid. I have to apologize again, for my own ignorance and intollerance. It is a further lesson to me that there is a reason that people do what they do, and it is for a reason of their own understanding. Sometimes, it really is not for me to understand. That being said, I appreciate the knowing, and the understanding you have shown in the face of my intollerance and ignorance. I further appreciate knowing your why in all of what went on, because believe it or not, that is how I understand myself. It wasn't so long ago I told another friend of mine why I go places to sit and watch other people. I watch others, their behaviours etc. so I can apply what I see to my own life. I'm still trying to know fully who I am, and in your responses, not only have I learned about you, I've learned a lot about myself. Mostly in a 'what not to do' context, but still I have learned and for that I can only offer my thanks.
And as far as I'm concerned... Go ahead and swear... sometimes the adjectives serve to either lighten the mood or set the tone. In writing, the only inflection is the the one assumed. (and we all know that I'm queen of the assumptions)
From your other post, well I'm gonna thank you again. Your comments, though probably unintended, deserved their own 'Mastercard Moment' Priceless!!
On to Luthien
Thank you for your dictionary finness, it's nice to know that you can read and copy. That shows some IQ (Sorry Just Me, I'm hoping that my contempt for your student and his "consort" won't offend now that I'm directing my comments to them or her in this particular case.)
To your first question: ... wait a minute... where's the question there?
K, gonna go on an assumption here (please refer to your post for the definition) but I think you were trying to ask whether or not I was assuming I had all of the facts. Yes I have much of the facts, probably not all, but enough to base what I believe to be an informed decision. What I do have is about two dozen pieces of paper with all of the comments regarding this issue. I also know personally, Dorothy's side of this issue. I also know that the whole story, had nothing to do with you, or maybe now it does since your beginning to work at Faeries. You'll, I'm sure, come to know first hand the very things that Dorothy was dismayed about. (small disclaimer here: I have not, nor will I say anything derrogatory about Where Faeries Live or the owners therein. I have nothing but respect for Jackie (and Terry - though she's not an owner) and I know nothing about Annette so I will refrain from speaking about her altogether)
The things I do not know that may be of some use in this conversation are:
What goes on in the all-important hush-hush ritual meetings.
The feelings of Jackie, Terry, or Annette on this issue.
The reason why you and your boyfriend are so venemous towards Dorothy, Kagami Maro, Kriggi, and now myself regarding this issue. (hmm, perhaps I do know why you and your boyfriend are so pissed with me... could it be that it is my feeling that you two are full of yourselves?)
As for others being aware of the whole story... Hmm, have you told these others about your actions in all of this. Have you told these others about your personal conduct, and that of your boyfriend. Did you mention all of the verbal attacks and cries of karmic retribution? Did you mention to any of these 'others' how you personally 'put out fires' with hostile words and threats? I let you answer before I call bullshit.
Do I think I'm in a movie? No, the comment of "that's life in the big, bad, city" is something my mom use to say to trivialize a comment. James' mother says "and life is hard in Hawaii too" My grandfather use to say " when you back up on to a buzz saw, whose to say what tooth cut the deepest" Hmm, there's some food for thought.
There was a question that was brought forth to the community. It was "What do we want from the Pagan Businesses that we support?" Sure there was a lot of other stuff in there, and most of it was coming from a personal beef, that was brought to the surface when Christine was fired. The fact that Dorothy was forced out, and then Christine's subsequent firing really only served as the catalyst to why the post came into being. Dorothy was putting her personal perspective on why she posed the question. Was all of the post necessary? To Dorothy it was. To you, to me even, it was apparent that there was some hostility. Had she just asked the question with no background, I'm sure we would have had a wonderful and happy discussion. The problem as I see it, is that you, and some others, object to her bringing out her personal feelings about one store in particular, and it's business practices. Those practices I know nothing about personally, only what has been told to me, so I'll leave that thought there.
As for leaving it (the whole it and nothing but the it) alone, I don't think I want to. This particular issue is not going to go away without there being an open discussion, free from anger and resentment.
I will also interject here, that is why I'm bothering to reply to you and your boyfriend. Russ got his email as to my thoughts on him, and in a smaller context you. Now I'm telling you why I'm pissed. Perhaps by clearing the air of the hostility, on all sides can we go back to the fun loving bunch that I remember us being at witch camp.
Back on to your comments, I believe that you are right in saying that Dorothy's issues with the shop are her issues, and they should be dealt with by those directly involved.
My particular issue is with you and your boyfriend and how you handled yourselves. My perception of your involvement and said actions are that you (and this is an assumption) must feel that you are superior to the rest of us community members because of your involvement on the ritual team. I make that assumption, because why else would you and Russ so rashly jump on Dorothy's and subsequently Kagami Maro's posts, and then go a step further and make yourselves into martyrs and cut down Kriggi. Your words to these people are reprehensible. I am, more than anything else, calling them into question.
Russ may not claim to be an Elder, but it appears that he thinks his position in our community is one that demands respect. His position on the ritual team does not demand respect, but it offers it to him. His words and deeds are what contradict that respect, and it is why not only do I have a lack of respect for him, I have a (current) seething contempt for him, and you.
Your threats of fate, and karma... well let's just say, it's getting old.
Now we're going to get to the good part. My involvement in the community.
I started coming to this community in April of last year. I went to one ritual, and was just starting to get involved when wham! I come home to find my mother, whom I'd been caring for, dead. That's right, you self rightous bitch. Dead. I found my mother lying in a pool of her own vomit, purple and not breathing. Dead from a heart attack. I didn't have the time, energy or anything else left in me in those following months to do much of anything but grieve.
I went to witch camp, most just because it was already paid for, got a little more get up and go, and tried to put my life back together.
When I returned to the community I jumped on board.
I helped with the Witches Ball
driving around to get door prizes
contributing door prizes
taking the food to the hall
helping out in the kitchen
helping put out the prizes ( labeling and such)
helping behind the bar
Then I helped out with the Samhain ritual
I found the trees, and helped paint the Tree of Gondor for Raven
I transported those same trees
I bought the moon that was used in the ritual
I helped with the set up and take down of the ritual
Then I helped out with the Yule ritual
I went and got back the tree that was used
I contributed the apples that were toasted
I made arrangements for the computer and projector so the stars could be shown inside
I bought the clamps so the screen could be put up
I bought some of the sheets used in the screen
Again I helped with the set up and take down, actually I was one of the four that were last to leave after all that was done.
And now in the spirit of helping this community, I'm dealing with my contempt with you, and your boyfriend, so my energy isn't screwing up future rituals.
How is that for what I've done for this community? Is that enough, or do I need to be on the ritual team to count, like you and Russ are?
As for who I think I am, as I said to your boyfriend, I am a person. I have all of the same rights as you do. As for you caring less, well let's just say that seems to be your mode of operations... damn those who may oppose all mighty Krista and Russ... Who cares why, damn them anyway.
I'll agree wholeheartedly that Respect, Truth, Trust and Honor have been disregarded. Everyone has walked away with their own misgivings, and not said that which needed to be said ages ago. This is what I needed to say. I would love to hear what it is that you and Russ have to say. Not about Dorothy and her dismay, I think that's been covered. I would like to hear you defend yourselves about your own actions. Let that be the discussion. Let me hear why you think you're so special. Why you and Russ over everyone else that contributes? Why is yours always the last hurtful remark to be spoke. Everyone else may want to keep their respective hurts to themselves, but I want to know. When you slammed Kagami, you hurt me. When you slammed Kriggi, you hurt me. When you slammed Dorothy, you hurt me. I will no longer stand for you hurting those I love. Bring your dagger then to my chest, because as you attacked each of them, you attacked me, and I'd prefer that the dagger go to my chest than in their backs.
I'm sure that each of those mentioned in turn, don't need for me to take their blows, but I'm so sick with all of your (and Russ is implied here) hateful remarks that I can no longer be silent.
If I've met my match, I'd like her to step forward. As for us being friends, even in a casual sense, gee I too wish that could happen. I think time could heal this wound, if only you'd clear the infection first.
A quick edit.
Chrysta (sp),
I'm sorry for calling you a self righteous bitch. That was uncalled for. I was angry, and was at the moment feeling quite heated. There was no way you could have known about my mother's passing, and again I would like to sincerely apologize for that part of my post.
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I removed my posts as well, so as to not be taken out of context
I'm seeing some of the posts missing, may I inquire as to why??
Kagami just called me to ask the same. Nehadi and Luthien, I'd like to ask this as well. Why had you two removed your comments. Your comments cannot be taken in any context but absent now.
Yeah, because now I'm really really lost...
I removed mine, because they were out there on their own.
To read the 3 that were left, including mine, makes me out to be a raving lunatic with no context as to the surrounding posts.
Rather not be misrepresented.
So why were the others pulled?
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