A first Blog
Here I am. A blog. It has finally come to this. Well perhaps this can be the journal I've always wanted to keep but never did. A new year's resolution come late.
The episode de jour would have to be intollerance. I'm so terribly sick of people's intolerance. My own boyfriend bashing Christians (regularly) bugs me. So we're wiccans. Big Fat Hairy Deal! Who cares? There is nothing wrong with being a christian or anything else for that matter if that's what gets you to personal enlightenment.
My friends that fight eachother for a differing opinion. What is the use of it all? I don't get it. Why on earth would it matter if someone doesn't like a store you frequent. If the person is someone you like then what's the big? Why does there need to fighting over pettiness?
And now the most recent bullshit... JD's blog. I went there because Myko from one of the boards I frequent (PACE for anyone that cares) tells the board about a poor disturbed boy who could use some help. On pace she's all concerned but on JD's blog she is nothing but snide and bitchy to Aimee (ok so perhaps a former witch - gone christian who lived with a warlock deserves a little ribbing) who has been trying to help the poor guy. So Aimee may be misguided in the how, but the thought and concern and her genuine caring for the individual is there. But then Myko (Just Me) gets Brandon (aka Nehadi, I assume) involved. He is one of the least tolerant people I've ever met. And he jumps so significantly over the poor man that JD asks him not to post there at all (Good for JD) So again I ask, Why is it so important to be right? To seek out inconsistancies in someone else? Why is it that there are people that want to hurt others to prove themselves superior?
Perhaps I shouldn't feel so slighted when people are mean to eachother. Is it just me who believes that to hurt one person is to hurt us all? Am I the only one that really believes the Harm None philosophy? Is it stupid to think that we could all care for one another, and in our genuine love for humanity make this crazy world better?
Call me crazy then... because I do want to make a difference. I do want to teach my childeren to be better, to care for others, to care for our earth. I want my priorities to lie with love and unity rather than opposition and bickering. It may be crazy, but that is who I am, and the tenent that I believe.
posted by ScarrletWidow @ 1:31 p.m.
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24 Comments:
Well......I must be the first!
Wow!
You want to know about intollerant? You ain't seen nothing yet!!
First of all my name isn't Nehadi (which is Russ on your board if you'd pay attention more) it is Brandon. Get your facts straight and leave out the assumptions. Just Me is my wife. Got it? Good!
Next. Don't go posting on someone elses blog speaking on my behalf again. What you said about me on J.D.'s blog was completely ignorant! I meant every damn word I said. I believe J.D. to be a liar and manipulative! I told him so, so don't fucking apologize for me!
You called my point moot? It wasn't. I read his blog over and over as well as his comments which is how I came to the conclusion that he is a liar about everything. He is playing a sick little game that is based on all of the movies and books that he has read and his story was furthered by everything Aimee had said to him! Just look at the top of his blog where it says "expect the unexpected". What could be more unexpected than what he has been writing?
Do I think I am superior to people? No! I have a very low tollerance for people and their bullshit, who use others to their own gain. I hate liars and manipulative people! I found alot of them on that blog and Aimee is another one of them.
The reasons we went after her are pretty obvious if you read all of her comments. They started off by feeding "J.D.'s fears" about demons and such and all the crap he says he was going through. She went on to give him advice about burning a ouija board because it "always comes back if you don't" She then stated that she used to be a witch, so she knows what she is talking about. After J.D. kept "getting worse" she did an about face and said to him "only God can help him now" What kind of shit is that? When I confronted her on it, she told me that psychology is manipulation and that she didn't believe J.D. either and that she gave up on him, which is why she made the "God" comment. She also denied feeding his fears because as she put it "they were allready there" and she was only trying to help him. I say bullshit. You don't help someone who says they are plagued by demons by feeding that fear! His problem wasn't demons as I am sure you noticed now, huh? I was the only one on that blog who said right from the start that it wasn't!
Aimee is a fucking liar and has no God-damned business in the profession of psychology! She knows just enough to be really dangerous to someone and it is only a matter of time before a patient of hers does kill themself because of her stupid fucking games!
Finally.....don't ever call my wife "bitchy" again! That would be a bit hypocritical wouldn't it...seeing as how you were bitching about her and me in your blog? And to top it off...you didn't even have the fucking balls to say it to us? What kind of grade school shit is that?
So, how is that for intollerant? Now you can go back to your little "Wiccan" games and fuck off!
Well Karen,
So ya think you know the truth huh?
You think you are well informed about my reasons for attacking poor Aimee and poor JD do ya?
Oh boy do you have something coming your way.
FIRST, get rid of my link to my blog on here and do so NOW.
SECOND, you have no clue what so ever what the hell you just did by posting all this nonsense.
Do you truely lack such common sense that you cannot actually come and ask WHY I was so intolerant? Need you be such a coward that you hide from me instead of asking me to my face??
You speak so poorly of what I and Brandon did yet are hypocritical in sitting here and doing the same thing, making an absolute ass of yourself in the process because you are VERY misinformed.
So let's clear some things up huh? On PACE, I did not express concern. I straight up said that kid had issues. THREE other Elders agreed! Aimee so kindly told JD that the Jewish Bible that he found (which he didn't know is what it was at the time) was possesed and that he needed to get rid of it. She also told him that he needed to burn a oujia board or else it would come back. And last, that if he were hexed or if Paganism was at play, flies would invade his house. Does that sound like an accurate depiction of Paganism or Wicca to you? If someone is helucinating, would that be a great thing to say? Not really...and through e-mails to Aimme, we found that she didn't really believe him anyway. She was more interested in manipulating the situation. Nice huh? Yet she has the nerve to defend herself in front of him. And then there is JD. Have you read up on his illness? Have you read up on the type of meds he's taking? Perhaps you should. Then you would know how it is that we know he's lying out his ass.
If you sit back and fully look at the picture, you would see that JD is in fact playing Aimee for her attention. But you obviously did not do that that would require you to read ALL his etries and not two or three.
Now then, about PACE....oh you have totally screwed up by calling Nehadi my husband. And then you pissed off my husband for saying he's Nehadi. Not a good judgement call on your behalf sweet pea. Lucky they are both friends and know eachother well.
You have made the decision to underestimate me, that is another poor judgement call....an unfortunate one that was made on another occasion by you and your friends before.
Unlike many others in our community, I lack tolerance as well as patience. You have crossed both lines by me and a few others in our community. It is now your choice how it is ended.
A response...
First to Brandon, because he must be the first, lol. Terribly sorry for assuming that you were Nehadi. If you read my blog, I did say it was an assumption. I never professed it to be a fact. I just never thought there could be two such people so close to where I live who could vent so vehemently based solely on a personal opinion. My bad, I admit it. I have a personal issue with the way Nehadi and Luthien dealt with Dorothy's Dismay, and that bled through on this particular issue. I have no idea who Myko is IRL so I wondered if she wasn't posting as both Myko and Luthien. Again, my bad. Trouble with the annonymity of the internet, sometimes you just don't know. And you're 100% right in that it would have been better to find the facts first as to everyone's ID. EEK and double EEK for my trespass.
Next on the hit parade. I never apologized to JD for your comments. I didn't even want to admit that I knew you or Just Me. I would have been terribly embarassed about it. Lucky me that I've never met you. Embarassment avoided.
The moot point is whether or not JD is disturbed, or whether he is a fucking liar as you suggest. A blog has nothing to do with professing truth, you can write stories if you like. You can play games if you'd like. It is a blog and not to be taken seriously, you dig? This is why I believe it to be moot.
Next, if you didn't feel superior to JD or to me in that regard, then why the intensity of your replies? Why did you feel the ABSOLUTE NEED to comment on whether he or I are right or wrong? Let him tell stories if that is what he's doing. Be safe in your own personal knowledge that he's bullshitting and carry on with your own life.
Now with Aimee, so she fed JD some crap. Like you said, if he's bullshitting, what does it matter if Aimee is feeding fears. If it is a story, then what's the beef? If Aimee is boning up her phychology manipulation on some blog site to see how fucked up she can make a guy, well all I can say is I'm glad I don't see her as my therapist. I may need one after this post, if you know a good one.
Next I didn't say that your wife WAS bitchy, I said that she was 'snide and bitchy to Aimee' big difference. I can be bitchy to you, but not be bitchy in general. Some people bring out that quality in others. See then, it's not hypocritical, just a personal feeling brought out in a semi-personal way. Actually, all I said in regards to your wife is that I got the link to JD's site from her on PACE and that she brought in your involvement. Oh that and she was 'snide and bitchy to Aimee'. See, nothing really bad said about her. Now as for saying stuff to you or Nehadi or Myko(aka Just Me aka your wife)in person well, I was venting. You'll notice on my blog, I started venting about my boyfriend. Then it progressed from there into a small touch of Dorothy's Dismay, and THEN into JD's blog. The situation is such that I do in fact feel to be bullshit. I don't see the logic in fighting over nothing. I don't know why you needed to attack JD. It still doesn't make sense. Nor does it make sense that you are attacking me. My blog is my opinion. Other than using you (and I guess Nehadi, seeing as you're two people) as a reference for intollerance, it has nothing to do with you. It is just me trying to figure out the why in life. Why are you so determined to make it about you?
End of response to Brandon.
Response to Just Me (Myko,Brandon's Wife)
No, I don't know the truth. No, I don't know why you would attack JD or Aimee.
No, I have no intention of de-linking you. I've noticed on your site you have Aimee as a link. And from your reactions I'd guess that you're not to fond of her, why should I not have a link to your site, which I quite enjoy. Nice writing, btw. Capitalizing Now isn't gonna do it, Just me... get over it.
Yep, you're right. I have no idea what I've done. Do tell me what, of my personal feelings, I can post that will not offend or charge you to attack with such violence?
I never said you were intollerant. Just your husband. I may have to reconsider my position on that.
Next, on PACE you said that JD may need answers that someone on PACE could provide. That shows concern. You're a mother, you should be proud to show concern when you feel it. Next. PACE is NOT a coven. There are no Elders. Russ is not an Elder, neither is Raven, neither is anyone. We are a relatively new community and we all do our own thing. Elders don't exist in our community. Yes, there are those that have earned respect in our community. There are those who have a great deal of knowledge, both practically and theoretically, but to suggest that there are elders, suggests that we are a coven, or at the very least that there are people who are more important than others. If you asked any of the so-called Elders, they'd probably be flattered by the notion, but would in all likelyhood tell you the same. If that isn't the case, man am I in the wrong circle.
As for Aimee, well as I said in my post her knowledge of Wicca is laughable, and she did kind of ask for a ribbing. I mean really?! I totally agree with that. But like I said to your husband, if they're both bs'ing, what is the problem? Is it that you thought that they were trying to dupe you, personally? I think that may be a stretch.
I did actually read everything on JD's website... right from the beginning. It's an excellent tale. Whether it's truth or fiction really lies with JD... Who is to know? Finding the book, then having stuff change little by little over weeks and weeks... quite ingenious. But what I think is irrelevant, isn't it?
As for common sense, well that remains to be seen, had I vented this elsewhere, ie to your personal email, it would have been an attack, now wouldn't it have been? That is not what my blog was intended to do. I never attacked you. I was and will always question the why. When things happen, or when people make the choices they do, that I don't understand, I question it. That being said, sometimes it is not for me to question directly. Why on earth would you want to explain yourself to me? So what if I question your reason, I also question why you would want your faith challenged. (Sorry something I remembered from JD's blog) It to me, doesn't make any kind of sense to ask you directly. You know your own why, the fact that I don't doesn't mean a thing. But I can still ask myself why, can't I?
K, next... On PACE I've left this alone. With exception to the post of intolerance, which I stand behind 100%.
The mistaken identities was made here on my blog alone. I hope that I have sufficently rectified that when I apologized to your husband for the grievous error.
This next bit, you'll have to excuse my ignorance, but I have never under or over or for that matter made any estimation of you before. I have no idea what you are referring to when you say that my friends and I have done to you before? I would need to know who you are personally to make that claim.
And as far as I'm concerned this has ended. For me, it ended after my blog. I write to release my own anger and intollerance, I know I have both that regularly need to be purged. Actually I should and now will thank you for directing me to a wonderful vehicle for such an outlet. So again, Thank you for the direction, Sorry that you feel I've personally attacked you, as that was never the intention.
In love and light,
Karen
I cannot believe that you are truely THAT ignorant.
I DO NOT have Aimee (the one from JD's blog) linked on my blog!!! Had you checked that, you would know that! You didn't even ask if it was OK to link to my blog. So again, if you do not remove my link, I will be getting more than snide and bitchy with you.
And so speaking of checking things, had you checked my profile either on my blog or on PACE, you would see plain as day-fucking-light, I LIVE IN THE STATES! So does Brandon! THAT'S NO WHERE NEAR YOU!!!!
That whole business about Dorothy and her so called dismay was so sophmoric and petty that I can't even go there. She started the crap and deserves to get every bit that comes her way. No sympathy from me as you can see.
You want to know what you can post about that will NOT offend me? Here's an idea, how about the facts and not your hypothesis....that means, not your "assumptions". Look, I understand the need to vent, obviously! But if you have a beef with Luthian or Nehadi or anyone for that matter, take it to their faces instead of playing games. Get the facts before you go critisizing.
Elders are people who have a great deal of experience and knowledge. You being so new to Wicca wouldn't know that. Kricket has over 15 years of Shaminism, I have over 20 years of my Craft, and there are others who fall in the 10 year mark with theirs. That compaired to you would make us Elders among that (brand new) board. If you have an issue with that, I suggest you talk to Raven, the board owner, and she would be happy to explain that to you. And to clear something else up, no, under my definition, Nehadi isn't an Elder. He IS my student though and has been for over a year. You can be assured that I am very protective of him.
Now then, Brandon may or may not respond to you. That is his call. But I highly recommend that you be more careful with what you do and how you do it because not only am I watching you but now you have the attention of many others.
Oh Goodness,
There you go, proving me wrong again. Should have checked the facts, Ma'am. *tips cap*
Question though, why shouldn't I read your site? I have the link there so I can read, and learn. Just because we have this disagreement, doesn't mean that I think that everything you have to say has no value, quite the opposite, really. I value your opinions, even those I don't agree with. Other people's opinions give me perspective. But if you insist, I can just put you into a different link not associated with my blog.
Now I did wonder about that, you living in the States, that is. You seem so well informed as to the daily goings on of this (Edmonton) community, that I assumed (again with those pesky assumptions) that you must be closely affiliated. There are those on PACE who are from Edmonton that have other places listed as to where they live for anonymity purposes. I guess then it is your pupil who keeps you on the up and up with our circle and all that entails. I would like to know then, since it's obvious that before now we've never had any direct dealings, how that I (or my friends) have underestimated you? That little bit has been picking my teeth.
Dorothy's dismay wasn't nearly as sophmoric and petty until of course, your dear dear friend Russ and his consort got involved. There is more than what was posted and subsequently deleted from PACE regarding that issue, and as that this is something that you could not possibly have all the facts concerning, I invite you to see your own comments regarding fact collection. And at your suggestion and his insistence, yes indeed, I have taken that directly to Russ. And will invite him to gather all of the facts of said issue as well. Hopefully he and I can sort out my (as you call it) ignorance. I would like to insert here that Dorothy's dismay merely presented a question to the community. Perhaps it's just me, but I wasn't aware that a question could bring about the kind of backlash that your pupil and his consort rallied back with. Am I to understand this is what you're teaching him? I could possibly understand his own blatent disrespect for an "Elder" in the community rather than responding in kind with questions of his own, if he was getting all of his agression from his teachings rather than his own thoughts.
Perhaps now we could address my semi-rhetorical question of what I can or can not post. I've said it before, and now will again, this blog is something I started, not to piss you, Brandon, or Russ off with, but rather for me to pose my own questions. Putting these questions on PACE, well we all saw what happened to Dorothy and Kagami Maro when they put their questions there. Rest assured that being flamed for a questioning nature is not what I wanted, but oh well such is life in the big bad city.
On to the "Elders" then, shall we. I don't dispute that you, Kriket, or any other number of people have had more experience or knowledge, or that they are not respected in the community, or whether they have earned the right to call themselves 'Elders' in their own paths. However, that being said, I stand behind my original statement of 'in our community no one person is more important than another'. Forgive me paraphrasing rather than quoting directly. I would also like to point out that 'Elders' should adhere to some form of higher ethical conduct, if Russ would like to think himself an elder at anytime, you may want to point that out in your teachings.
As for many others watching me, or this site, well then Bravo, for now maybe people can come together, ask the hard questions and get answers. Since this is unavailable to be done on PACE or the Fairies website, I will encourage it here. I don't fear the unknown, I embrace and welcome it. I also welcome you Myko, and your husband to the discussion. I look forward to your perspective.
Alright, you asked some valid questions regarding some things, I will diplomatically answer them.
I don't care if you read my blog. I can't stop anyone from reading it. But to come here, see you call me "snide and bitchy" to someone who in my opinion deserved it and then link to my blog, looks like an open invitation for someone to come kick on my door. Correct me if I'm wrong, please. I'd prefer that you kept the link on your favorites bar instead of on your blog for now.
My blog doesn't talk about my craft at all. It isn't because I'm hiding it, but because it isn't something I feel that I want to share with the general populace. Most of it is just my ramblings and such. If you want to learn something from me regarding my craft, then that will need to be taken into a private discussion somewhere else.
I saw Dorothy's first post. It was out of line. What happens with her friends and that store has no place on our board, Karen. It was an act of vengence on a personal level and it was designed to get as many people involved as quickly as possible. In other words, a manipulative trap. Now, you are right, I don't know what happend after that other than there was a lot of anger and frustration. But to be honest, I don't care either. None of that concerns me in the slightest.
What I don't understand is how you could say that I am well informed of the goings on up there. Sure I catch this and that here and there but for the most part, my activity on the board is all about what I know or don't know. I fail to see where it appears that I am so informed on anything else. When it comes to things outside the board, Russ tells me about his experiences and what other things he's learning. Sometimes I advise him in one direction or another and sometimes I don't. He's far enough that he can make his own choices.
Now I'm going to ask you to refrain from speaking about Russ with a bit of spite in your tone. As I said, if you have a problem with him, take it up with him. If you have a problem with his "consort" (whoever the hell that may be) then again, you need to take it up with them. What I teach him doesn't concern you and what he knows doesn't concern you. That is between him and I. However, if he has the same approach to ignorance and childish games as I do, then I say good for him for standing up for what he believes in.
Having a questioning nature is not your problem, Karen. It is how you ask your questions. Jumping the gun and making assumptions will not make you right but makes you look really bad! You should know that I am one who loves questions to be asked. One will never learn without asking questions. But, there is a way to ask them, a place to ask them and a way to defend them. Asking a group of people to evaluate someone's business practice on a board that strides to have very little drama and doesn't DEAL with business practices, is NOT the place or the way. It would be like going to a Mormon web site and then asking them to look at your car because someone at the store fired the mechanic that worked on it there and you know people on this board who used that mobile station. Does that make sense? That is just an example but I think you may get my point. Anyway....
Now back to this Elder thing. I didn't say that they were more important in our community. I said, "they have more knowledge and experience". And I'm going to quote my last post, "Nehadi isn't an Elder. He IS my student though and has been for over a year." He knows that he isn't near my shoes but I will not stifle him from learning on his own what is right and wrong. That is what makes a good Practitioner. AGAIN, if you have a problem with the way he is, take it to him. If you think you're better then he is and that he's out of line, then tell him. Don't come to me and tell me that I've trained him wrong because it has nothing to do with what I've taught him. What he knows has absolutely nothing to do with the personal issues you have with him. It would be like me teaching math, it doesn't make the student less argumentative though. And further more, I will not tell Russ to act a certain way nor preach to him about Codes of Ethics. He knows the rules and what he does with them is up to him. But keep in mind little one, our rules are not the same as Wiccans or Pagans. It is what it is and we each do what we need to. We also know the price we pay for each thing that we do.
And last...you and your friends...did some work a while back...a psychic attack that was led by Kriggi. There was a total of 5 people involved....sound familiar?
Um, hi...
It appears that we have another debate, and finally a place with no censorship...
I have read everything that has been presented in relation to Scarrlet's Blog. I have not gone to anyone else’s, including this JD you all keep referencing. I was aware that he was posted about on PACE (I still read up, even if I don't post), but don't know much of the story. My comments are going to be specifically directed at the exchange taking place right here, right now. I am here to make comments, not take sides. I was informed of this issue by Scarrlet, because it was similar in nature to an issue I experienced earlier in the year with Nehadi and Luthein. However, I hold myself apart from side taking. I am merely saying my piece.
First: A blog is an online journal. A journal is a place to record whatever you wish, be it stories, real life, fantasy. What variates an online journal from a personal paper or computer journal, is that the entries are open to other people's perusal and commentary. This commentary can either create a lot of discussion that helps people deal with the issues that are being presented in the blog, or it can become a forum for a lot of chaos and unnecessary harm.
In the heat of the moment, it is easy enough to mistake facts. Scarrlet made the assumption Just Me's Blog was linked to Aimee's. Not true, but even the best make mistakes. Aimee's name was mentioned though, perhaps giving rise to the confusion. And who checks everything when they're angry? All of you are guilty of this. It is also very easy to come across as rude, uncompromising and uneducated, which I have seen in a variety of states (forms) since this morning. What a movable feast of unreasonablilty!!!
Rants are rants. They happen. I suppose by Scarrlet making an opening with her confusing Brandon and Nehadi (it happens, particularly on the internet where an identity can be assumed and dropped in seconds, not to mention identity theft...), Brandon felt that he was able to reply with impunity, as she had left the door open. Fair enough. Not fair was the verbal language and attitude with which the reply was made. It appeared to be a mistake, or an error borne of haste, and now it is online WW2. There is no reason for this. The mature person would have said, "Hey look, you are mistaken. I am offended and I have to set the record straight." Instead we get what amounts to even more intolerance, as no one seems to be very eager to be smoothly rational. Instead, we have emotional explosions and a lot of "grade school" responses.
The language itself is interesting. Scarrlet swore twice in the original blog post, Brandon swore eleven times, (not counting damn or crap). To me this is a fairly decent indication of who was more in control at the time of their posting. I could be mistaken, perhaps Brandon uses that vocabulary as part of his regular vocal habits; as I have never read anything else of his other than his reply, I wouldn't know. However, if you want to make a point, (even attempted) peaceful communication tends to net more results than accusations and anger. This goes for all of you as well.
Ignorance is being shown on all sides of this issue. If Just Me is indeed Myko from the PACE board, I am very surprised at the change of tone. They sound like two very different people to me. I have respected Myko for her opinions and wealth of information since I started reading her posts on PACE. I am saddened to see the change. Scarrlet is showing ignorance by not having all of her facts straight. Just Me is showing ignorance by assuming that the reader is always aware of what she is talking about (for example, reference the second last paragraph of Just Me's post). I don't understand what she is referencing, and from the looks of it, neither does Scarrlet. Now, if I don't understand, it is likely because I wasn't involved. If Scarrlet doesn't get it, then it needs to be explained, because Just Me insinuated Scarrlet was involved. I don't agree with not giving all of the information in a situation like that. So Just Me, what are you talking about in reference to that paragraph?
Okay, so in regards to JD: it appears you all agree on the fundamental fact that the boy was playing a game. How each of you reacted to that was different, but your opinions do coincide on the main fact. The discussion resultant from that has been less than constructive. If you are all adults, then grow up and stop acting "Grade school". Come on now...
Just Me/Myko, if you truly do lack tolerance as well as patience, perhaps re-evaluate your methods. It is hardly fair to unleash the power of your formidable impatience on the unprepared. If you are a teacher, think on this even more. Students emulate their teachers; are the behaviours you're showing (specifically your own reference to lack of patience and tolerance) something that you want other people to cultivate? I do not mean this to offend, but offer this up to everyone as a final thought: if everyone in the world was like you, would you want to live there? This will help with perspective...
Kagami Maro....
Thanks but no thanks. Observe all you want and comment too. This is after all Scarlets page.
But this is between she and I so I will not be responding to you.
Hello again!
I promise I won't swear too much this time as it appears that someone who posted on your blog under yourscreen name and then took the post off is keeping track of my use of foul language. I don't want to be reported to the F.C.C. or something......
You are baffled by my reasons for doing what I did on J.D.'s blog other than what I told you? My question is why does it matter? I don't go around jumping on people for the hell of it, but at the same time, I have no problem doing it either....but I can give you a reason...
And you can judge whether or not it is moot. Keep this in mind though, as what you consider moot might be a big deal to someone else, okay?
What if I told you I had a sister once?
What if I told you that she was going through what J.D. claims he is going through and she believed she was being terrorized by demons?
What if I told you that it wasn't demons, but a mental problem?
What if I told you that she met someone (male) while this was going on, who claimed he was a warlock and told her over and over again that she had been cursed by someone, but that he was the only one who could help?
What if I told you that she believed every word he was telling her?
What if I told you that after gaining her trust, he took advantage of that and built up her fears even more, furthering the belief that he was her only way out of it?
What if I told you that once he had that trust he turned around and raped her?
What if I told you that once he did that, he walked out of her life never to be seen again, leaving her in worse condition than before he came into her life?
What if I told you that she felt so lost and hopeless at that point, that she gave up, put a gun in her mouth and pulled the trigger?
How is that for a reason to jump all over Aimee? I jumped on her because I didn't believe that what she was doing was in J.D.'s best interest, but rather hers.
A judgemant call on my part that I can and will live with without a problem.
Now, nothing of what I told you in the above story is true, even in the slightest. But it could be. Would that be a good enough reason for me to go after Aimee?
I have quite a bit of patience. It does take alot to piss me off to the point where I will go after someone like that, but once I do, I will not apologize for it.
I have a few things that no matter what....are guaranteed to irritate me to no end. One of them is messing with someone's head. What if J.D. was actually telling the truth about what he thought he saw? What if he really does have a mental illness and sees the things that he says he does? Is it a good idea for someone who is trying to be a psychologist to prey on those fears, when psychology would tell her that the problem is in his head? I don't think it is. It is stupid and irresponsible!
That is why I went after Aimee. For a while I thought J.D. might actually have a screw or two loose in his head, and what Aimee said pissed me off to no end. So I jumped all over her. No apoogies and no regrets.
After doing that, I started seeing huge inconsitencies in J.D.'s story and nothing added up the more I looked into it. I have explained why they didn't add up and will not go into that here....but I did have my reasons. I stood up for the guy when someone (most on that blog, but Aimme got my anger) was messing with his head, and it appears to me that he was lying about the whole thing to begin with, which pissed (what's my swear word count up to?) me off even more, so I went after J.D. which is the last comment of his that you saw where he asked me not to post on his blog again. I will respect that wish as I said all I cared to say......
That is my reason, and you can call it moot if you want, but it wasn't to me, and that was enough.
My apologies to you for jumping on you so hard, but after everything on his blog and then seeing yours with all it said without having the facts right, not to mention themistaken identity (I have nothing to do with the PACE board...that is my wife's thing, not mine) it pissed me off again. So do I have anger issues? Nope. Am I intollerant of other's? Nope. But I do have the few things that rub me wrong and I cannot and will not let them slide by without saying something. You can question my methods and that is fine. You can question my motives and that is fine also. But it is something I chose to do, not for the hell of it, but because I felt I needed to.
Again, it comes down to what is moot. Everyone's idea of what is or isn't is different.
Again, sorry for jumping on you like I did (another one of my pet peeves is people who talk when they don't have all the right information).....you hit a nerve with me on that subject, so I reacted.
Well, that is enough from me on that....time to move on to bigger and better things. Maybe I will stop by again from time to time and see what you're writing about and I promise I won't jump on you for anything again.
Kagami,
If Scarlett asked you for your opinion...great, and you are entitled to it, but don't go making judgement calls on things and then tell others they made poor judgements in the way they handled things, okay?
What was being said was between me (or my wife as the case may be) and Scarlett. Now, I don't know about you, but I am a big boy and if I was wrong I can and will be the first to admit it.....I don't need someone telling me how I should talk or the way I should engage someone in a discussion at any given moment.
What you said was your opinion and I can respect that and whatever reasons or beliefs you have behind it. However, what I said (and the way I said it) was mine. I ask that you respect that as well.
Just Me,
Again, I apologize to you for the insinuation that you were 'snide and bitchy'. Not that what I think matters in the least, but I did want it to be said, that even though it is my belief that your comments directed at Aimee were snide and bitchy, that is not my feelings about you as a person. I now see why you would want the link deleted, and as you can see it was done. As for what I learn on your site, I am also a mother, and I was (and plan on being again) a wife. Your ramblings are good ones, and there is a lot that I identify with.
If there was anything in regards to your craft that I wanted to know in specifics I'm sure that I could use PACE for such a discussion. I'm sure that there is alot that can be learned by reading what you have to say in that regard.
Dorothy is my friend. She is a good friend, and I adore her of course. That isn't to say that I thought she was 100% right in posting as she did, on PACE about her issue with the shop. It was her issue. However, when she posed a question to the community I believe that the rest should have been taken with a grain of salt, and a discussion built about the question. She asked what is it that we want out of the pagan businesses that we support. That was the question, but no one ever answered it. The rest of it, I'll grant you, was ill-concieved, but knowing as I do that she poured for hours over that first post and likewise subsequent email, she was trying very hard not to be accusatory to anyone. She did not want to harm anyone let alone the ritual team, as is thought by this community at large.
I am going to have to apologize again for assuming that you were informed of the goings on here. It seems that you're activity on the PACE board was enough to give me that thought. After careful consideration (and I even looked up stuff on the boards and everything) I realize that my perception of your involvement in the community is just that, my perception. Perhaps I felt you were closer to this community because of what and how you post on PACE.
I will, in future, direct all and any problems with Russ (and his lady) to them directly. I will also try very hard to contain the contempt that I feel to them both, as you are very correct in saying that it is not something that you need be associated with. I will reitterate, that my blog was written for me. This blog is not a childish game, or a method to flush out inconsistencies in the way anyone sees fit to conduct their own private affairs.
To my way of thinking, how I ask my questions is not my problem either, it is only your perception of the question I asked that bothered you. I actually can understand your why in the matter. You saw an inflammatory and somewhat derrogatory comment made at your expense (for which I do wholeheartedly apologize) and you seized the opportunity to defend yourself with more of the same. I won't claim innocence because when I read the comments by you and your husband, and then the further email from Russ, I was livid mad. It's been 12 hours now, and I'm still dealing with the reprocussions. Believe me, if I thought for one second that anyone would actually make such a fuss, I would have kept this particular rant in my pocket.
I wish I had the conviction of Kagami who would bring up what they have to say regardless of the consequence. Bravo them, and Bad me I suppose. I prefer the duck and cover method myself. I didn't want this crap, but since I brought it to the table, I'm woman enough to fill my plate.
There is one little thingy I have to ask about, and that is "But keep in mind little one, our rules are not the same as Wiccans or Pagans. It is what it is and we each do what we need to. We also know the price we pay for each thing that we do." Whoa, you have completly left me in the dust there. Could you explain that more fully?
As for this psychic attack, thanks for the compliment, but that is something far beyond my abilities. As you've made note of, I am very new on my path, and honestly I'm still trying to get the hang of understanding what I see in my meditations. I would also like to point out that a pychic attack would be contrary to my personal code of ethics, and were it in my power to perform such an attack, it's something I would consider to be beneath me. On an additional note, I would venture a personal opinion that Kriggi would have no part in such an attack as well. That isn't the kind of person he is. But if I could ask the date, time and victim... You see a friend of mine was also attacked a few weeks back, near the middle of the month, early in the morning about 4:30ish. Perhaps the attackers are one and the same, I'm sure that my friend would appreciate the help in recognizing her attackers.
Dearest Kagami,
Oh how I love you and your damned high road. Thank you for once again bringing me back to my sane and mostly rational self.
Moreover damn you all to heck and back for making me see that I was being ignorant, rude, uncomprimising and uneducated... You know how that last one tweaks my nipples. But again what can I do, you've shown me the error in my ways, and now all I can do is accept, and try to learn. You absolute son of a gun... Flame ~ Flame ~ Flame ~
Hello again Brandon...
Yes, indeed, my original post was under Scarrlet's name: She had logged in to show me what was being said and I wanted to type. I've never used this system before, and didn't realize that the user name needed to be changed and I also didn't know how to do it.
About the swearing... It simply makes you sound less rational and intellegent. I am certain few people care to cultivate that in a reputation. I see in your newer posts someone that I now have more respect for in terms of their ability to present themselves. I am a bit of a language stickler, sorry. One of my faults.
I do fully admit that I am ignorant about most of this situation. All I know of your arguments are the contents of Scarrlet's Blog (as I told you earlier). All I know of JD was the one post linked to PACE. It sounded like mental illness to me. However, I do not post on PACE.
At the age of 11 I was indeed told that I had demons and that was causing my problems. I was cast out of my church. I lost contact with a lot of my family for a very long time. It changed a lot of my life. I fortunatley realized that it was mental illness (BP 2 to be specific), and went on a succession of medications, therapies and councelling, after falling away from the church, moving away from my family and attempting (and almost succeeding) suicide. It was life altering. And yes, even if the story you created wasn't true for you, it may be for someone else. It certainly rang home for me. And I agree with stomping out those who are out to harm or (make dependant) other people. Like I told you, I've been there. I don't lie. There's no honor in that.
Brandon, I realize you are not on PACE. I don't think there was a point where I insinuated you were. If there was, please correct me. I am open to that. It's how I learn.
I understand that PACE is your wife's "thing". No problem. She doesn't seem to want to talk (unfortunate), but I am not saying that you and your wife are the same entity. You are your own people. Definatley fine with me.
Please also realize that I made no judgement on the entire "moot" issue. I didn't once say I thought it was moot, and I never once implied that it wasn't. That was Scarrlet's argument, not mine.
I was invited to comment on this. I am not here to cause problems, simply offer a different vantage point. It is less educated in some aspects (ie: intimate knowledge of the JD issue) but also unfettered by the initial emotional outburst of feelings you have all experienced. This does not really effect me at all. It is not my issue, I freely admit. However, Scarrlet made the call to ask for another opinion to help sort herself out, and that's what I offered. I don't haunt blogs for fun... way too much drama and fallacy. Enough of that in real life.
I have no issue with you. I was interested in your opinions and I respect your viewpoint. I agree with much of it, particularly your description of doing what you feel you must (making your opinions known) and not being accoutable to others for your actions (that is, letting no one prevent you from making your opinions known). I feel very much the same way. I have to choose my engagements carefully, because I do like to discuss things, and have enlightened arguments, and the subject I find most facinating are the ones I seldom know much about. That's the joy of learning.
Thank you for presenting some very valid points. Thank you for presenting yourself as someone worth understanding. And thank you for answering me. As I said before, it's how I learn.
o.k......wait um second.....
uhhh
who was writing what on that last post from "Scarlet"?
I gathered Kagami was in there, but was Scarlet also?
I'm lost on who was who in it
Hello to you Brandon,
You are, of course, right. I suppose it really doesn't matter why you jumped on JD, only that you did. As for whether you regularly jump on people, well couldn't prove it by me that you don't.
I am not your judge, nor do I want to be, nor do I feel in any way fit to fill such a role for anyone save myself and sometimes not even then.
If your story was true, then I would sympathize with you deeply. Would it be a good reason to jump on Aimee? Probably not. Would it get you any more brownie points with the soft touches like myself. Oh for sure.
I've never asked for your apology.
Aimee obviously is a crankpot. I read her posts and she came across as a complete nut. She started off innocently enough, but when she said for JD to burn the Ouija, and he didn't, isn't it possible that he too was taking what she had to say with a grain of salt? Even if he was seeing demons and was writing about it all on a blog, don't you think it may have been possible for him, through his delusions, to see Aimee for a crank? I honestly believe she started posting there in genuine concern. How she went from that where she ended up, who's to say? Did she deserve your wrath? What more is there to say on that? As for JD and his story, I can now understand (honestly I can) why you got upset. He duped you. You invested your time and energy into his dilemma, and what was your thanks? It appears that he's been stringing you and a half a dozen people for naught. How infuriating.
Does he deserve to be told what a liar he is?
Thank you for your repeated apology. I humbly accept, and will (hopefully) be able to leave this behind me. Perhaps tomorrow I'll have more fight in me. For today though, I'm done. Goodnight to you Brandon, Good night Myko. And good night to my sweet, and ever thoughtful Kagami Maro.
The post that appeared in my name, that was deleted, and re-posted by Kagami Maro was Kagami's. Does that clear things up?
uhhhhh, okay......?
I've said my peace and then find I have gotten dragged back into this by default, I think.
I actually had to ask my wife who Luthien was because I had no clue.
So, let me re-iterate this: I have nothing to do with Pace, so how I got lumped into that "family" is beyond me.
Whatever goes on in that community has nothing to do with me at all!
Scarlett, I have spoken my peace with you....and I will leave it at that.
P.S. Kagami: you'll notice that not one foul mouthed word was uttered during the creation of this post!
Cheers, Brandon, well met... ^_^
As per before, I don't classify you as a PACE member, so I don't think you're involved any more unless you want to be. Just my interpretation...
Luthien, As for Dorothy's Dismay, it isn't done. There's a lot of denial, a lot of repression and no extra energy left to try and solve it. This has been indicated by a number of people describing being tired and drained and in need of healing. The fact that you figure it's done and others don't indicates a lack of resolution.
I am not here to wage war. I don't particularly enjoy creating or maintaining conflict. As for Scarrlet meeting you anywhere, I would advise against that. If you can't be civil, calm and rational online, I don't think a physical encounter is goign to be productive. I know for myself, I get much more galvanized when I am near someone I am at odds with, as opposed to dealing with them indirectly. I don't know if it is the same for you, you are older than I and perhaps you have much more skill in that area.
Again though... kudos, Brandon... you made my day.
I think we're running out of room here....
Regarding Dorothy's question. Ya know, when I pull the question away from everything else she said. It is infact a harmless question. But because that question was mixed in with an attack, it comes across ...ready? SNIDE AND BITCHY! LOL! Not to mention, it comes off out right manipulative. I heard about a few other things that Dorothy did following her post on PACE and to me, it just seemed blown out of proportion. I'm sure there could have been other ways to deal with what ever issue she had. Anyway, I'm seeing that clearly there is a disagreement with that situtation and that is something that you need to DISCUSS together. I'm serious...get this out in the open and work it out if it's that important to each of you.
Karen, you brought it up that it was something that was bothering you so take the time to see what it is that you both aren't seeing eye to eye on right now. And Chrysta, you do the same. Take the time to listen to Karen's side and see what it is she is seeing instead of telling her to stifle her point of view. She and I didn't tell eachother to shut up because we both needed to resolve what we had on our minds. Maybe it started out pretty mean, I will admit I was severly (ready Kagami?) pissed off about this. I expressed my reasons why, we came to a mutual agreement (I think), she apologized, I say the hatchet is now buried between her and I. Hopefully she will not feel unable to come to me when she is offended by my statements again and we will be able to communicate properly....like...me not yelling.
Now you mentioned that this blog is for you...right now...it is so not yours. I have a suggestion that a blog be created for all of us to actually post on...not comments but as leaders so that when we have issues and arguments, we have a place to put it and not put it on someone's personal thing. In other words, let's move the argument out of Karen's front door and put it someplace we can meet mutually upon. I know I would not like having this mess on my door step....I'd tell ya'll to go away! LOL!
About the question you asked me, I have to tell you in e-mail so I'll send that to ya shortly.
Kriggi e-mailed me about the comment I left you...perhaps we will find an answer yet. The attack was on me personally and it wasn't very recent at all. However, I would like to take this conversation off of your blog so that certain snit bits don't get leaked regarding your friend getting attacked. Deal?
Some wonderful points, Just me.
Open communication of the Dorothy issue is something that a lot of the people n the community want, but no one seems willing to facillitate. Likely because no one likes inviting trouble, lol. There are a lot of half facts going around, and I am very aware of a lot of them, my computer being the vehicle that Dorothy used after her subsequent post. I at least understand her view. I also have a pretty good handle on our high preiestesses view as well as the shop owners views. Please understand this is much bigger than Dorothy.
As for how Dorothy got the message across: Yes, it wasn't the best way in terms of language choice etc, etc. But I know she laboured and agonized over it to make what she wanted to say heard with the least amount of negativity. I also don't dissagree with using PACE as an initial vehicle: If you knew what you were going to say was going to be seen as offensive and undesirable to some in the community, knew there were others in the community who supported you and knew there were even more people that didn't have the information, how would you deal with getting your message out? I would definately choose a public forum. Dorothy was aware she was going to be pushed out of the community (via Annette, etc), so she chose to speak her peace. She also left a statement at the end of the post asking everyone to email her with their responses, instead of keeping the actual issue on PACE.
I think it was the best way she could have handled it. This way it was public, not more of the subversive backbiting that always seems to plague this group. It was the result of a few individuals (myself being one of them) that this issue blew up into the big ugly. However, I'd like to point out that I never attacked anyone. All I did was ask questions. When it became clear through the select censorship going off that communication on this issue was not wanted by those in power, I let it go. Feeling attacked by two people I considered casual friends was not fun. I was not happy. I never wanted Nehadi and Luthien angry with me. However, I have done a lot of thinking and I am starting to get their side. It has been difficult, as no one seems to be able to carry on a conversation with them. I don't like being told to shut up when I myself was not being offensive to anyone, merely asking questions to facilitate discussion.
Luthien, I would love the oppertunity to see where you and Nehadi are coming from. I won't meet with you unless you are willing to be civil though. I am tired of being jumped on by you both. This was not ment to be a me vs. you and Nehadi issue. What I was trying to do was get people talking. We are all aware there has been some bad stuff going on for the better part of two years, I want to deal with it, not let it fester. In order to deal with it, there has to be open communication. To that end, when you are open, I would love to communicate with you. Not to rub your nose in the dirt or call you down or question your integrity and value as a person (for example, I don't need to ask who you think you are. That hardly matters. Actions matter.), but to try and understand what is triggering all of your rage. I think this can be dealt with. I want it dealt with.
As for the open blog you suggested, Just Me, I think that it is a brilliant idea and I think Scarrlett will agree. I wouldn't want this on my front door either. The tough stuff is what helps people grow. As of yet, there hasn't been anywhere to talk about the tough stuff. Like I said, brilliant idea.
Alright...the new site is Pizz Off...had to do it Kagami... :P
I need everyone who wants to be a member to send me their e-mail address because that is what it asks for. You can send me a blank e-mail to blkfaery@hotmail.com
The site is http://pizzoff.blogspot.com if ya wanna start moving this over there and anyone can comment there without being a blog user to make it easier...
See ya there.
Um, do you both realize that what you are doing is creating more ambiguity? It was the removal of information and susequent uncertainty about what was actually said that started this mess... You are only repeating history, and this won't solve anything...
Sounds familiar, Kagami!
I agree totally....This is not the way to settle our differences...
We know harsh things were said, apologies went around...lets mend fences.
FEED THE ANGER. FEED IT.
you guys are all ridiculous.
grow up!
take a breathe and let things go. this anger you are feeding is messing with your blodd pressure and it is really just...so....
petty.
Well, now......
That last comment by "anonymous" was apparently one of J.D.'s blog fans. Oh well, whatever. Next time you want to comment....feel free, just do us all a favor and leave a place where we can reach you for a rebuttal, okay?
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